....And I repeat once again that you are NOT a photographer....
Victor, my dear brother, why are you so angry, out of all proportion? Maybe someone accidentally sprayed mayonnaise into your Olivier salad? Maybe some kid at a matinee squirted tomato juice in your ear? Maybe Santa Claus was rude to you? Maybe you wanted a boat, and this bastard brought you a Black Label on the carousel? Why are you tyrannizing over a photographer? Owning a camera lens is not a crime against the photography industry. You seem rather harsh with the photographer, inhumane. You demand too much.
When I recover a bit, I'll tell you... how my colleagues and I argued about lighting schemes on New Year's Eve. We had a little fight. No big deal. An ambulance, a cast... and it was only the fifth floor... They misunderstood each other based on point sources.
You're being a bit harsh with the photographer, inhumane. You're demanding too much.
Backwoods, Motorcyclist disappeared and deleted my comments, but how elegantly and inspiredly rude he was. I was quite politely speaking about the errors in lighting and hand placement in male and female portraits, in my subjective opinion. And everything could have continued along the lines of a debate about photography, but the gentleman who wasn't a photographer, who regarded my creative doubts and lack of categorical judgment as a weakness in my photographic convictions and a lack of education, began abusing his personal judgment, and I had to resort to his manner of discussion. And besides, I didn't criticize everything indiscriminately, but only those where there were obvious flaws and blunders, specifically and with detailed explanations.
Once I've recovered a bit, I'll tell you... how my colleagues and I argued about lighting schemes on New Year's Eve. We got into a bit of a fight. No big deal. An ambulance, plaster... and it was only the fifth floor... We misunderstood each other over point lighting.[/quote] Backwoods, You once mentioned our fellow countryman, Maxim Gustorev. He's a real expert in technique, color, and lighting, and speaks clearly and teaches them. And I remember when he posted his photos on Samara Photo, he often got into trouble too. Even a master can make mistakes, but he draws the right conclusions and learns from them, while less-than-perfect photographers just react rudely to criticism and puff out their cheeks.
....I spoke quite politely about the errors in lighting schemes and hand placement in male and female portraits, in my subjective opinion....
No one doubts for a second your competence when it comes to lighting tricks. Of course, you're right! If I had a weaker stomach, I would have long ago built myself a box to bury my portraits of thrice-worthless billionairesses, lest I fall under your intense... provocative... reprehensible... well, this gaze of yours. As it is, I'm holding on with all my might... I'm just hiccupping loudly.
Let's play a game, Victor? You're telling me my photos are tropical-grade guano, my arms and legs are no good. The schemes... and the horizon—that's just terrifying. After which I tell you how nature made a mistake about your birth, who you should be, where you should lie, and what you should say silently. Vitya, that's not great. Criticism is good when it's possible and necessary to offer solutions to problems. But what if the author doesn't see the problems? Then what's the point of solutions and suggestions? Vitya, maybe all this is in vain?
You once mentioned our fellow countryman, Maxim Gustorev. He's a real expert in technique, color, and light, and he speaks clearly and teaches them.
Gustorev gives smart lessons on processing. Honestly, I don't always understand why, with the internet so developed and the abundance of photography material, people don't bother to even look up how to work with photographs. Maybe they're lazy, or maybe they think it'll do. I don't know, Victor, I don't know
Criticism is good when it's possible and necessary to offer solutions to problems. But what if the author doesn't see the problems? Then why bother with solutions and suggestions? Vitia, maybe all this is in vain?[/quote] Backwoods, Well, you can't call it criticism, just expressing your opinion. That's how this site works: the author posts their photo, and people either admire it or hate it. If you don't like this system, please close the comments for malicious critics and leave it only for the semi-automated admiration of ZhRyzhov. Or better yet, hide your masterpiece in a home album and show it only to your wife and grandparents on a bench at Easter and Christmas, when it's a sin to speak unkindly. If the author does not see his own mistakes, then nothing terrible happens either, others see them, a smart person does it his own way, but listens to other people's opinions, personally, I prefer and find more use an angry critic with specific comments on a photograph, and not on my failed life as a provincial farmer.
Viktor Kirillov, Gustarev gives clever lessons on processing. Honestly, I don't always understand why, with the internet so developed and the abundance of photography material available, people don't even bother to look up how to work with photos. Maybe they're lazy, or maybe they think it'll do. I don't know, Victor, I don't know.
Backwoods, Well, Motorcyclist said he learns not online, but in real life, not from authorities, but from masters. He didn't say specifically from which master he learned such brilliant holy schemes with snot under his nose and stumpy hands. With "people who know a thing or two about images," it's something like that.
Viktor Kirillov, Victor... the criticism was in your first sentences. Then the abuse started. Because the author didn't accept your criticism graciously. Right? I'll say it now as the biggest vulgarian - not a single photograph, no matter what it is, is worth such torment. If only because you'll never convince the author that they're wrong this way. You won't win. Not at all. All you'll achieve is that Vitka is bad. That's all. Just answer the question - do you really need to be a photo center orderly? What you're picking on isn't the most... thing being exhibited here. Maybe then you should be consistent? Scorn all vulgarity? And at the same time, make your friends, acquaintances, and acquaintances hate you? If this is your thing, then it's a struggle. Then there's no need to complain. They won't like you. Although... for me, that's not the right path.
Well, Motorcyclist said he learns in real life, not online, not from authorities, but from masters. He didn't say specifically from which master he learned such brilliant holy diagrams with a snotty nose and stumpy hands. From "people who know a thing or two about drawing," something like that.
Okay. Wherever he learned, we see the results. You've assessed those results. Everyone read them, everyone understood your point of view. Everyone was impressed, some (me, for example) even made a little mistake – maybe they'll get attacked too.
I'll ask again: if the authors don't accept criticism in the form of humor and subtle sarcasm, why the hell are you messing with them?
[quote]Viktor Kirillov, Victor... the criticism was in your first sentences. Then the cursing started. Because the author didn't accept your criticism graciously. Right?
Backwoods, No, not really. There was no cursing on my part, just quoting mannerisms and borrowing Mr. Motorcyclist's "arguments" for a mirror response. In general, I don't set any global goals for myself as a critic; I speak out based on my mood and specific circumstances.
Let me ask again: if the authors don't accept criticism in the form of humor and subtle sarcasm, why the hell are you bothering with them? [/quote] Backwoods, And I'm not speaking to them, but to the global progressive photography community, represented by the local residents.
And I don't set any global goals for myself as a critic; I speak out based on my mood and specific circumstances.
We're similar here. I'm no fool to make things worse either. We got together for the New Year. And I went and commented on my colleague's photographs. Well, we had a dispute. Then he got tired and hit his head on my stool four times. And suddenly realized his lighting schemes aren't the best in the world. You need to learn to persuade, Viktor.
Viktor Kirillov, We're similar here. I'm no fool either. We got together for the New Year. And then I commented on my colleague's photos. Well, we had a dispute. Then he got tired and hit his head on my stool four times. And suddenly realized his lighting setups weren't the best in the world. You need to learn to persuade, Victor.
Backwoods, I once moved from the village to Samara, met some local photography experts, and had similar stool-based discussions with them. It's nice to remember how we fought to the death, but never lost our dignity or respect for the bruised head of a sincerely misguided amateur photographer.
I once moved from the village to Samara, met some local photographers, and had similar stool-like discussions with them. It's nice to remember them. We fought to the death, but never lost our dignity or respect for the broken head of a sincerely misguided amateur photographer.
I'll say it again – you and I are alike. Only my local photographers, the ones I can reach with my fist, are already even. I have 85 kg of muscle... my opponents have 150 kg of fat... the fight was initially uneven. Do you know how I wiped out our whole gang in one fell swoop? I said, "Let each of us photographers take a photo of the ugliest woman in our group? And then we'll decide who took the prettiest portrait? Who'll be first?"
Do I need to say, Victor, that I suffered a bit, despite my athletic training?
Viktor Kirillov, I'll say it again – you and I are alike. Only my local photographers, the ones I can reach with my fist, are already even. I have 85 kg of muscle... my opponents have 150 kg of fat... the bet was initially uneven. Do you know how I wiped out our whole gang in one fell swoop? I said, "Let's each of us, photographers, take a photo of the ugliest woman in our group? And then we'll decide who took the prettiest portrait? Who'll be first?"
Needless to say, Victor, I suffered a bit, despite my athletic training?
Backwoods, You're a provocateur with suicidal intent. We should have offered a creative competition to photograph the most beautiful woman, preserving as much of the original as possible. Any Photoshop trick can turn an ugly woman into a gem, but try not to ruin a beauty with a lighting scheme; that's not everyone's cup of tea.
Okay, I'm off to bed. I have a busy day tomorrow. My relatives are coming for a return visit. I need to prepare my body for C2H5OH 40% + H2O 60%.
Now Viktor Kirillov will knock back some pickle juice, shoot a matinee, and our usual photo-site life will begin
Why are you tyrannizing over a photographer? Owning a camera lens is not a crime against the photography industry.
You seem rather harsh with the photographer, inhumane. You demand too much.
When I recover a bit, I'll tell you... how my colleagues and I argued about lighting schemes on New Year's Eve. We had a little fight. No big deal. An ambulance, a cast... and it was only the fifth floor...
They misunderstood each other based on point sources.
Backwoods,
Motorcyclist disappeared and deleted my comments, but how elegantly and inspiredly rude he was. I was quite politely speaking about the errors in lighting and hand placement in male and female portraits, in my subjective opinion. And everything could have continued along the lines of a debate about photography, but the gentleman who wasn't a photographer, who regarded my creative doubts and lack of categorical judgment as a weakness in my photographic convictions and a lack of education, began abusing his personal judgment, and I had to resort to his manner of discussion. And besides, I didn't criticize everything indiscriminately, but only those where there were obvious flaws and blunders, specifically and with detailed explanations.
We misunderstood each other over point lighting.[/quote]
Backwoods,
You once mentioned our fellow countryman, Maxim Gustorev. He's a real expert in technique, color, and lighting, and speaks clearly and teaches them.
And I remember when he posted his photos on Samara Photo, he often got into trouble too. Even a master can make mistakes, but he draws the right conclusions and learns from them, while less-than-perfect photographers just react rudely to criticism and puff out their cheeks.
Let's play a game, Victor? You're telling me my photos are tropical-grade guano, my arms and legs are no good. The schemes... and the horizon—that's just terrifying.
After which I tell you how nature made a mistake about your birth, who you should be, where you should lie, and what you should say silently.
Vitya, that's not great. Criticism is good when it's possible and necessary to offer solutions to problems. But what if the author doesn't see the problems? Then what's the point of solutions and suggestions?
Vitya, maybe all this is in vain?
Vitia, maybe all this is in vain?[/quote]
Backwoods, Well, you can't call it criticism, just expressing your opinion. That's how this site works: the author posts their photo, and people either admire it or hate it. If you don't like this system, please close the comments for malicious critics and leave it only for the semi-automated admiration of ZhRyzhov. Or better yet, hide your masterpiece in a home album and show it only to your wife and grandparents on a bench at Easter and Christmas, when it's a sin to speak unkindly.
If the author does not see his own mistakes, then nothing terrible happens either, others see them, a smart person does it his own way, but listens to other people's opinions, personally, I prefer and find more use an angry critic with specific comments on a photograph, and not on my failed life as a provincial farmer.
"people who know a thing or two about images," it's something like that.
I'll say it now as the biggest vulgarian - not a single photograph, no matter what it is, is worth such torment. If only because you'll never convince the author that they're wrong this way. You won't win. Not at all. All you'll achieve is that Vitka is bad. That's all.
Just answer the question - do you really need to be a photo center orderly? What you're picking on isn't the most... thing being exhibited here. Maybe then you should be consistent? Scorn all vulgarity? And at the same time, make your friends, acquaintances, and acquaintances hate you?
If this is your thing, then it's a struggle. Then there's no need to complain. They won't like you. Although... for me, that's not the right path.
I'll ask again: if the authors don't accept criticism in the form of humor and subtle sarcasm, why the hell are you messing with them?
Backwoods,
No, not really. There was no cursing on my part, just quoting mannerisms and borrowing Mr. Motorcyclist's "arguments" for a mirror response.
In general, I don't set any global goals for myself as a critic; I speak out based on my mood and specific circumstances.
Backwoods,
And I'm not speaking to them, but to the global progressive photography community, represented by the local residents.
Only my local photographers, the ones I can reach with my fist, are already even. I have 85 kg of muscle... my opponents have 150 kg of fat... the fight was initially uneven.
Do you know how I wiped out our whole gang in one fell swoop? I said, "Let each of us photographers take a photo of the ugliest woman in our group? And then we'll decide who took the prettiest portrait? Who'll be first?"
Do I need to say, Victor, that I suffered a bit, despite my athletic training?
Okay, I'm off to bed. I have a busy day tomorrow. My relatives are coming for a return visit. I need to prepare my body for C2H5OH 40% + H2O 60%.